{"collection":"Buddhism","html_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/browse/bud/sbe20/sbe20048.htm","path":"bud/sbe20/sbe20048.htm","source_url":"https://sacred-texts.com/bud/sbe20/sbe20048.htm","text":"1. Now at that time there were two brothers, Bhikkhus, by name Yamelu and Tekula 3, Br\u00e2hmans\nby birth, excelling in speech, excelling in pronunciation. These went up to the place where the Blessed One was, and when they had come there, they saluted the Blessed One, and took their seats on one side. And so sitting those Bhikkhus spake to the Blessed One thus:\n'At the present time, Lord, Bhikkhus, differing in name, differing in lineage, differing in birth, differing in family, have gone forth (from the world). These corrupt the word of the Buddhas by (repeating it in) their own dialect. Let us, Lord, put the word of the Buddhas into (Sanskrit) verse 1.'\n'How can you, O foolish ones, speak thus, saying, \"Let us, Lord, put the word of the Buddhas into verse?\" This will not conduce, O foolish ones, either to the conversion of the unconverted, or to the increase of the converted; but rather to those who have not been converted being not converted, and to the turning back of those who have been converted.'\nAnd when the Blessed One had rebuked those Bhikkhus, and had delivered a religious discourse 2, he addressed the Bhikkhus, and said:\n'You are not, O Bhikkhus, to put the word of the Buddhas into (Sanskrit) verse. Whosoever does so, shall be guilty of a dukkata. I allow you, O Bhikkhus, to learn the word of the Buddhas each in his own dialect 1.'\n2. Now at that time the Khabbaggiya Bhikkhus learnt the Lok\u00e2yata system 2.\nPeople murmured, &c., saying, 'Like those who still enjoy the pleasures of the world!'\nThe Bhikkhus heard of the people thus murmuring; and those Bhikkhus told the matter to the Blessed One.\n'Now can a man who holds the Lok\u00e2yata as valuable reach up, O Bhikkhus, to the full advantage of, or attain to full growth in, to full breadth in this doctrine and discipline 3?'\n'This cannot be, Lord.'\n'Or can a man who holds this doctrine and discipline to be valuable learn the Lok\u00e2yata system?'\n'You are not, O Bhikkhus, to learn the Lok\u00e2yata system. Whosoever does so, shall be guilty of a dukkata.'\nNow at that time the Khabbaggiya Bhikkhus taught the Lok\u00e2yata system.\nPeople murmured, &c., saying, 'Like those still enjoying the pleasures of the world!'\nThey told this matter to the Blessed One.\n'You are not, O Bhikkhus, to teach the Lok\u00e2yata system. Whosoever does so, shall be guilty of a dukkata.'\n[Similar paragraphs to the last, ending]\n'You are not, O Bhikkhus, to learn--to teach--the low arts 1 (of divination, spells, omens, astrology, sacrifices to gods, witchcraft, and quackery).'\n3. Now at that time the Blessed One when, surrounded by a great assembly, he was preaching the Dhamma, sneezed. The Bhikkhus raised a great and mighty shout, 'Long life to our Lord the Blessed One! Long life to the Happy One!' and by the sound thereof the discourse was interrupted. Then the Blessed One said to the Bhikkhus:\n'Now if when a man has sneezed, O Bhikkhus, some one says, \"Long life to you,\" can he live or die on that account?'\n'Not so, Lord.'\n'You are not, O Bhikkhus, when one has sneezed, to call out, \"Long life to you.\" Whosoever does so, shall be guilty of a dukkata 1.'\nNow at that time people said to the Bhikkhus when they sneezed, 'Long life to your reverence!' and the Bhikkhus, fearing to offend, gave no reply. The people murmured, were annoyed, and were indignant, saying, 'How can the Sakya-puttiya Samanas omit to reply when people say, \"Long life to your reverence?\"'\n'Laymen, O Bhikkhus, are given to lucky phrases 2. I allow you, O Bhikkhus, to reply, \"May you live long!\" to laymen who say to you, \"Long life to your reverence!\"'\n149:3 Yamelutekul\u00e2. It is possible that this compound should be dissolved into Yamela and Utekula. Compare the word Yamele at verse 35 of the Udd\u00e2na (which stands where a nominative should stand, judging by the form of the other words in the Udd\u00e2na). A comma has there been omitted by misprint after Yamele.\n150:1 We think that in these words (khandaso \u00e2ropema) there does lie a reference to the earlier Sanskrit. And this especially for four reasons: firstly, this is required by the antithesis to 'their own dialect;' secondly, the use of the word khandasi in P\u00e2nini, where it always means precisely 'in the Veda-dialect,' requires it; thirdly, it is difficult to understand otherwise the mention of 'Br\u00e2hmans by birth;' and fourthly, this is in accordance with the traditional interpretation of the passage handed down among the Bhikkhus. Buddhaghosa says, khandaso \u00e2ropem\u00e2 ti Vedam viya sakkata-bh\u00e2s\u00e2ya v\u00e2kan\u00e2-maggam \u00e2ropema. Sakkata is of course Samskrita.\n150:2 See the substance intended at Kullavagga I,1, 3.\n151:1 On the historical conclusions which may be drawn from this tradition, see H.O.'s introduction to the text of the Mah\u00e2vagga, pp. xlix and following.\n151:2 This is mentioned also in the Assal\u00e2yana Sutta (at the beginning), and in the same terms in the Milinda Panha, p. 10, as one of the branches of learning distinctive of well-educated Br\u00e2hmans. It is condemned among other 'low arts' in the very ancient Mah\u00e2 S\u00eela, \u00a7 5. (See Rh. D.'s 'Buddhist Suttas from the P\u00e2li; p. 199, and his note on the age of this work, ibid. p. 188.) Among later works, the Nepalese Buddhists refer to it as one of the things with which a Bodhisattva will not condescend to occupy himself (Lotus of the Good Law, ch. xiii, Burnouf's version, p. 168), and in which good disciples will take no pleasure (ibid. p. 280). Buddhaghosa has a note on the passage in the Mah\u00e2 Sib. (quoted by Childers sub voce), which shows that it was understood in his time to be, or rather to have been, a system of casuistry.\n151:3 So also in the Ketokhila Sutta 2 (translated in Rh. D.'s 'Buddhist Suttas from the P\u00e2li,' p. 223).\n152:1 Tirakkh\u00e2na-vigg\u00e2. Literally, 'brutish, or beastly, wisdom.' These are set out in full in the seven sections of the Mah\u00e2 S\u00eela (translated in Rh. D.'s 'Buddhist Suttas from the P\u00e2li,' pp. 196-200). As noticed above, the Lok\u00e2yata system is there mentioned (\u00a7 5) as one of them. Learning or teaching these things are forbidden in almost identical terms to the Bhikkhun\u00ees in the Bhikkhun\u00ee-vibha\u1e45ga, P\u00e2kittiyas XLIX and L.\n153:1 This story forms the Introductory Story also to the Gagga G\u00e2taka (No. 155 in Fausb\u00f6ll's edition). On the superstition here condemned, see Dr. Morris's remarks in the 'Contemporary Review' for May, 1881.\n153:2 Gih\u00ee bhikkhave ma\u1e45galik\u00e2.","title":"SBE 20: Fifth Khandhaka: Chapter 33","type":"page"}