{"collection":"chr","html_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/browse/chr/ecf/208/2080055.htm","path":"chr/ecf/208/2080055.htm","source_url":"https://sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/208/2080055.htm","text":"That Scripture uses the words \u201cin\u201d or \u201cby,\u201d \u1f10\u03bd, cf. note on p. 3, in place of \u201cwith.\u201d Wherein also it is proved that the word \u201cand\u201d has the same force as \u201cwith.\u201d\n58. It is, however, asked by our opponents, how it is that Scripture nowhere describes the Spirit as glorified together with the Father and the Son, but carefully avoids the use of the expression \u201cwith the Spirit,\u201d while it everywhere prefers to ascribe glory \u201cin Him\u201d as being the fitter phrase. I should, for my own part, deny that the word in [or by] implies lower dignity than the word \u201cwith;\u201d I should maintain on the contrary that, rightly understood, it leads us up to the highest possible meaning. This is the case where, as we have observed, it often stands instead of with; as for instance, \u201cI will go into thy house in burnt offerings,\u201d 1215 instead of with burnt offerings and \u201che brought them forth also by silver and gold,\u201d 1216 that is to say with silver and gold and \u201cthou goest not forth in our armies\u201d 1217 instead of with our armies, and innumerable similar passages. In short I should very much like to learn from this newfangled philosophy what kind of glory the Apostle ascribed by the word in, according to the interpretation which our opponents proffer as derived from Scripture, for I have nowhere found the formula \u201cTo Thee, O Father, be honour and glory, through Thy only begotten Son, by [or in] the Holy Ghost,\u201d\u2014a form which to our opponents comes, so to say, as naturally as the air they breathe. You may indeed find each of these clauses p. 37 separately, 1218 but they will nowhere be able to show them to us arranged in this conjunction. If, then, they want exact conformity to what is written, let them give us exact references. If, on the other hand, they make concession to custom, they must not make us an exception to such a privilege.\n59. As we find both expressions in use among the faithful, we use both; in the belief that full glory is equally given to the Spirit by both. The mouths, however, of revilers of the truth may best be stopped by the preposition which, while it has the same meaning as that of the Scriptures, is not so wieldy a weapon for our opponents, (indeed it is now an object of their attack) and is used instead of the conjunction and. For to say \u201cPaul and Silvanus and Timothy\u201d 1219 is precisely the same thing as to say Paul with Timothy and Silvanus; for the connexion of the names is preserved by either mode of expression. The Lord says \u201cThe Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.\u201d 1220 If I say the Father and the Son with the Holy Ghost shall I make, any difference in the sense? Of the connexion of names by means of the conjunction and the instances are many. We read \u201cThe grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Ghost,\u201d 1221 and again \u201cI beseech you for the Lord Jesus Christ\u2019s sake, and for the love of the Spirit.\u201d 1222 Now if we wish to use with instead of and, what difference shall we have made? I do not see; unless any one according to hard and fast grammatical rules might prefer the conjunction as copulative and making the union stronger, and reject the preposition as of inferior force. But if we had to defend ourselves on these points I do not suppose we should require a defence of many words. As it is, their argument is not about syllables nor yet about this or that sound of a word, but about things differing most widely in power and in truth. It is for this reason that, while the use of the syllables is really a matter of no importance whatever, our opponents are making the endeavour to authorise some syllables, and hunt out others from the Church. For my own part, although the usefulness of the word is obvious as soon as it is heard, I will nevertheless set forth the arguments which led our fathers to adopt the reasonable course of employing the preposition \u201cwith.\u201d 1223 It does indeed equally well with the preposition \u201cand,\u201d confute the mischief of Sabellius; 1224 and it sets forth quite as well as \u201cand\u201d the distinction of the hypostases, as in the words \u201cI and my Father will come,\u201d 1225 and \u201cI and my Father are one.\u201d 1226 In addition to this the proof it contains of the eternal fellowship and uninterrupted conjunction is excellent. For to say that the Son is with the Father is to exhibit at once the distinction of the hypostases, and the inseparability of the fellowship. The same thing is observable even in mere human matters, for the conjunction \u201cand\u201d intimates that there is a common element in an action, while the preposition \u201cwith\u201d declares in some sense as well the communion in action. As, for instance;\u2014Paul and Timothy sailed to Macedonia, but both Tychicus and Onesimus were sent to the Colossians. Hence we learn that they did the same thing. But suppose we are told that they sailed with, and were sent with? Then we are informed in addition that they carried out the action in company with one another. Thus while the word \u201cwith\u201d upsets the error of Sabellius as no other word can, it routs also sinners who err in the very opposite direction; those, I mean, who separate the Son from the Father and the Spirit from the Son, by intervals of time. 1227\n60. As compared with \u201cin,\u201d there is this difference, that while \u201cwith\u201d sets forth the mutual conjunction of the parties associated,\u2014as, for example, of those who sail with, or dwell with, or do anything else in common, \u201cin\u201d shews their relation to that matter in which they happen to be acting. For we no sooner hear the words \u201csail in\u201d or \u201cdwell in\u201d than we form the idea of the boat or the house. Such is the distinction p. 38 between these words in ordinary usage; and laborious investigation might discover further illustrations. I have no time to examine into the nature of the syllables. Since then it has been shewn that \u201cwith\u201d most clearly gives the sense of conjunction, let it be declared, if you will, to be under safe-conduct, and cease to wage your savage and truceless war against it. Nevertheless, though the word is naturally thus auspicious, yet if any one likes, in the ascription of praise, to couple the names by the syllable \u201cand,\u201d and to give glory, as we have taught in the Gospel, in the formula of baptism, Father and Son and Holy Ghost, 1228 be it so: no one will make any objection. On these conditions, if you will, let us come to terms. But our foes would rather surrender their tongues than accept this word. It is this that rouses against us their implacable and truceless war. We must offer the ascription of glory to God, it is contended, in the Holy Ghost, and not and to the Holy Ghost, and they passionately cling to this word in, as though it lowered the Spirit. It will therefore be not unprofitable to speak at greater length about it; and I shall be astonished if they do not, when they have heard what we have to urge, reject the in as itself a traitor to their cause, and a deserter to the side of the glory of the Spirit.\nPs. lxvi. 13, LXX.\n36:1216 36:1217 37:1218\nIn Eph. ii. 18 they are combined, but no Scriptural doxology uses \u1f10\u03bd of the Spirit.\n37:1219 37:1220 37:1221 37:1222 37:1223\n\u201cSt. Basil\u2019s statement of the reason of the use of \u03bc\u03b5\u03c4\u03ac, \u03c3\u03cd\u03bd, in the Doxology, is not confirmed by any earlier or contemporary writer, as far as the editor is aware, nor is it contradicted.\u201d Rev. C.F.H. Johnston.\n37:1224\n\u201cSabellius has been usually assigned to the middle of third century, Mr. Clinton giving a.d. 256\u2013270 as his active period. The discovery of the Philosophumena of Hippolytus has proved this to be a mistake, and thrown his period back to the close of the second and beginning of the third century.\u2026He was in full activity in Rome during the Episcopate of Zephyrinus, a.d. 198\u2013217.\u201d Professor Stokes in D. C. Biog. iv. 569. For Basil\u2019s views of Sabellianism vide Epp. CCX., CCXIV., CCXXXV. In his H\u00e6r. Fab. Conf. ii. 9 Theodoret writes: \u201cSabellius said that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost were one Hypostasis; one Person under three names; and he describes the same now as Father, now as Son, now as Holy Ghost. He says that in the old Testament He gave laws as Father, was incarnate in the new as Son, and visited the Apostles as Holy Ghost.\u201d So in the \u1fce\u0395\u03ba\u03b8\u03b5\u03c3\u03b9\u03c2 \u03c4\u1fc6\u03c2 \u03ba\u03b1\u03c4\u1f70 \u03bc\u03ad\u03c1\u03bf\u03c2 \u03c0\u03af\u03c3\u03c4\u03b5\u03c9\u03c2, a work falsely attributed to Gregory Thaumaturgus, and possibly due to Apollinaris, (cf. Theod., Dial. iii.) \u201cWe shun Sabellius, who says that Father and Son are the same, calling Him who speaks Father, and the Word, remaining in the Father and at the time of creation manifested, and, on the completion of things returning to the Father, Son. He says the same of the Holy Ghost.\u201d\n37:1225\nApparently an inexact reference to John xiv. 23.\n37:1226 37:1227\ni.e., The Arians, who said of the Son, \u201cThere was when he was not;\u201d and the Pneumatomachi, who made the Spirit a created being.\n38:1228","title":"Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Ser. II, Vol. VIII: De Spiritu Sancto.: That Scripture uses the words \u201cin\u201d or \u201cby,\u201d \u1f10\u03bd, cf. note on p. 3, in place of \u201cwith.\u201d Wherein also it is proved that the word \u201cand\u201d has the same force as \u201cwith.\u201d","type":"page"}