{"collection":"Islam","html_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/browse/isl/pro/mos20.htm","path":"isl/pro/mos20.htm","source_url":"https://sacred-texts.com/isl/pro/mos20.htm","text":"Sacred Texts\u00a0\nIslam\u00a0\nIndex\u00a0\nPrevious\u00a0\nNext\u00a0\nPlace of Revelation of Torah\nIt is mentioned that the place of revelation of the tablets and books of\nTorah that contained the knowledgement of the first and last nations and\nthe regulations of the religion of Moses was the mountain of Sinai, so\nthere speaking to God did exist and there the Torah was revealed, and to\nthat blessed spot he (Moses) did stay away from his people while he made\nhis brother Aaron to take the leadership over them, and there he fasted\nfor forty years and there he lived while he was fasting as a humiliating\nhimself towards God and asking for the satisfaction of God, and there he\ndid ask to see God as an answer to his chosen chieftains among all of his\npeople and the answer of God was a reason to make it knocked down, and\nMoses fell down in a coma as God did say: My Lord! Show me (Thy Self),\nthat I may gaze upon Thee(Al-A`r\u00e2f:143), and then God inspired to\nhim: you cannot but look at the mountain if you saw it knocked down in\nits place then you will see me, so God then removed the veil and look at\nthe mountain so it was knocked down from the base as if it was never there.\nIn a narration reported to the Household of the chosen prophet (PUT)\nthey said that the angels came down and opened the gates of heavens so\nthen God inspired to them to take care of Moses, and it is (the mountain)\nthat God lift up upon the Israelites as a torment to let them accept the\nTorah and that is by God's saying: And when We shook the Mount above them\nas it were a covering, and they supposed that it was going to fall upon\nthem(Al-A`r\u00e2f:171).\nThere are some narrations that we understand from them that the mountains\nthat were knocked down were seven and they were moved to Hij\u00e2z and\nYemen and of them were the mountain of Ohod and Warq\u00e2n nearby Medina\nand \u00deawr and \u00deubair in Mecca and Haw\u00e2 in Yemen..etc,\nand we do not see any important benefits of discussing this in a long speech\nand what Quran mentioned is enough, and there are in many occasions and\nin what was mentioned by the Household in their prays to God, it is understood\nfrom them that there are holy places that God did talk to his servant Moses\nfrom other than the mountain of Sinai, and other places also that He showed\nHis signs to His servants like Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and Moses and\nothers before and after them, and it is obvious in the pray of Al-Sam\u00e2t\n[a famous pray or ritual for Shiites], and there are places that God showed\nHis signs for His servants in them but are almost unknown by the scholars\nand the scientists in our recent days, and some of them are known like\nthe mosque of Al-Khayf in Min\u00e2 [in KSA], so he (`Ali ben Abi T\u00e2lib\nPUH) said: O Lord and I shall ask You by Your Glory that You spoke with\nwith Moses ben Amram in the holy places, upon the sense of Al-Karrubiyeen\n[Al-Karrubiyeen: people differ in the meaning of this word, but most of\nthem said it is the name (plural) for the angels that carry up the Throne],\nupon the clouds of light, upon the ark, in the column of fire and in the\nmountain of Sinai and in the mountain of Huree\u00fe [Huree\u00fe is\nclose to Horeb the one mentioned in Torah, but as it is interpreted by\nTorah it is just another name for the mountain of Sinai, but here the prince\nof believers (PUH) makes a difference between the two], in the holy valley,\nin the holy spot of the right side of the tree...and in the gushing out\nthat You made wonders with in the sea of Suf [this name I could not translate\nto any other versions by means of Torah]...etc, until he (PUH) says: the\none that You showed Yourself by for Moses in the mountain of Sinai...and\nfor Abraham in the mosque of Al-Khayf...and for Isaac in the well of Shee`\n(Shebah) and for Jacob in the house of Eel (?)..etc, and by Your Glory\nthat appeared for Moses on the Qubbat Al-Rumm\u00e2n (dome of pomegranates)\n[I belive the full story is mentioned in the Exodus], until he (PUH) says:\nand by Your light that made the mountain of Sinai knocked down...and by\nYour face's light that You showed to mountain and made it down and Moses\nfell senseless...and by Your signs in S\u00e2`eer (Seir), and Your presence\nin the mount of F\u00e2r\u00e2n (Paran) in the holy hills...and at the\nend the Imam (PUH) says: my Lord by this pray, and by the rights of these\nnames that no one knows their interpretations save but You...etc. Actually,\nGod showed His prophet (PUH) about these names in general to let him know\nthat they do exist and to ask by them for their holiness, and the prophet\nshowed that to his viceroy and the other viceroys of Imams after him to\nask the Lord by these names for their holiness and they (the viceroys)\nshowed these names for the public of muslims to let them get the benefit\nas well and only God knows.\nIn some narrations it is told that Al-Ma'mun, the abbaside caliphate,\nasked Al-Ridh\u00e2 (PUH) about the meaning of God's saying: And when\nMoses came to Our appointed tryst and his Lord had spoken unto him, he\nsaid: My Lord! Show me (Thy Self), that I may gaze upon Thee(Al-A`r\u00e2f:143),\nand the question was: how come that Moses the prophet of God and he did\nnot know that God is not to be seen to ask for such question? Then Al-Ridh\u00e2\n(PUH) said in his answer: Moses ben Amram (PUH) knew that God was not to\nbe seen, but when He talked to him and made him closer to Him and he went\nback to his people telling them that God talked to him they did not believe\nin him and said: we will not believe in you unless we hear Him as well\nas you, and they were at that time seven hundred thousand, so he chose\nseventy thousand, and then chose from them seven thousand, and then he\nchose out of them seventy men to be with him when facing God, so he went\nout with them to the mountain of Sinai and stayed there with them, and\nthen Moses went up to the mountain and asked God to talk to him and let\nthem hear Him as well, so God talked to him and they heard His voice from\neverywhere around them for God did make it in the tree and made it spread\nall around them, so then they said to him (Moses): we will not believe\nthat what we heard was God's voice unless we see God, so when they said\nthis great saying God did send a thunder upon them and took them away for\ntheir wrong-doing and they were destroyed. Then Moses said: O Lord what\nshall I say for the Israelites when I get back to them and when they would\nsay that I got them out and killed them for I was not truthful in what\nI claimed? Then God made them alive again and sent them with him, so they\nsaid to him: if you asked God to allow you to see Him He would surely accept\nand then you would tell us how He is so we shall know Him better, so then\nMoses said to them: O folks, God is not to be seen with the eyes but He\nis known for His miracles and signs, then they said to him: we shall not\nbelieve in you until you ask Him, so then Moses said: O Lord, You heard\nthem and You know better how faithful they are, so then God inspired to\nhim: O Moses ask Me what they did ask you for I shall not charge you for\ntheir ignorance, so then Moses said: O Lord, allow me to see You, so then\nHe said: you will not be able to see Me but see the mountain if it was\nknocked down in its place you will see Me, so when God looked at the mountain\nit was knocked down and Moses fell down senseless in a coma, and when he\nwoke up he said: Sanctification be to You, to You I made my repentance\nand I am the first of believers..etc, and in the book of Ihtij\u00e2j\nthat of Al-Tabarsi it is mentioned that a man came to the prince of believers\n(PUH) and said to him: O prince of believers, tell me about God, did you\nsee Him when you worshipped Him? He (PUH) answered: I am not someone that\nworships\nsomething that he did not see, so the man said: how did you see him O prince\nof believers? He (PUH) answsered: woe to you! The eyes did not see Him\nby means of sightness, but hearts see Him by means of the facts of the\nfaith, known by clues and called by the signs, not to be measured by people\nand not to be felt with the usual senses, so the man left the place saying:\nGod knows better where to put His message.\nIn Muruj Al-\u00d0ahab for Al-Mas`udi in the part concerning the stories\nof Moses, after God had destroyed the pharaoh, He commanded Moses to get\nthe Israelites out into the deserts (the Wandering) and they were six hundred\nthousand adults added to them non-adults, and the tablets that were revealed\nupon Moses at the mountain of Sinai were made of green emerald and the\nwritings were made of gold, so then when he got down from the mountain\nhe saw some people from the Israelites that were worshipping a calf that\nthey made so he got shocked and the tablets fell down from his hand and\ngot broken and then he gathered it all and put them into the ark and made\nit into the temple, and Aaron was a priest and the head of the temple,\nand God revealed all the Torah on Moses while he was in the Wandering (or\nExodus), and God took back the soul of Aaron during the Wandering\u00a0\nand he was buried in the mountain of Mar\u00e2n in the direction of the\nmountain of Al-Shir\u00e2' that lies after the mountain of Sinai, and\nhis grave is famous there in a normal cave that produces horrible sounds\nat nights that make everyone scared...until he (the narrator) said: and\nGod had revealed on Moses ten books so it was completed to one hundred\nbooks [maybe the narrator means the total books revealed since the days\nof Adam added to the books of Moses would complete one hundred books],\nthen God revealed on him the Torah that contained the commands and what\nis allowed and what is not and regulations and that was in five books (the\npentateuch) [then the author explains the meaning of a word in Arabic which\nis used for books of Torah in special, but for translation purposes it\ncan not be put here. Book of Torah is called Sifr pl. Asf\u00e2r].\nWhat is understood from Al-Mas`udi is that the tablets is something\ndifferent from the books and they are different from Torah, and the tablets\nare what reached the prophet (PUH) and he commanded his viceroy the prince\nof believers to copy them and keep them and they are the Cipher that has\nthe knowledgement of the first and last nations and we mentioned that a\nwhile ago, and the one hundred books are what God said about in His holy\nbook: Lo! This is in the former scrolls. The Books of Abraham and Moses(Al-A`l\u00e2:18-19),\nand the Torah is something else other than these and we had explained what\nwas the Torah for, and everything including the prophecial heritages with\nit (the Torah) and other things are all kept in the hands of the last hidden\nviceroy the son of Al-`Askiri (PUH) may our souls be a ransom to him, so\npeace upon him and upon his infallible purified fathers, and mercy of God\nand His blessings.\nNext: Worshipping The Calf","title":"The Prophets, Their Lives and Their Stories: Moses: Place of Revelation of Torah","type":"page"}