{"collection":"Anguttara Nikaya","full_text_available":true,"graph_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/v2/api/page/suttacentral_an4.111/graph","html_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/v2/page/suttacentral_an4.111","id":"suttacentral_an4.111","license":"CC0","rights_basis":"suttacentral_bilara_data_cc0","source":"suttacentral","source_url":"https://suttacentral.net/an4.111/en/sujato","summary":null,"tags":["Anguttara Nikaya","Early Buddhist Texts"],"text":"Then Kesi the horse trainer went up to the Buddha, bowed, and sat down to one side. The Buddha said to him, \u201cKesi, you\u2019re known as a horse trainer. Just how do you guide a horse in training?\u201d \u201cSir, I guide a horse in training sometimes gently, sometimes harshly, and sometimes both gently and harshly.\u201d \u201cKesi, what do you do with a horse in training that doesn\u2019t follow these forms of training?\u201d \u201cIn that case, sir, I kill it. Why is that? So that I don\u2019t disgrace my tutor\u2019s community. But sir, the Buddha is the supreme guide for those fit for training. Just how do you guide a person in training?\u201d \u201cKesi, I guide a person in training sometimes gently, sometimes harshly, and sometimes both gently and harshly. The gentle way is this: \u2018This is good conduct by way of body, speech, and mind. This is the result of good conduct by way of body, speech, and mind. This is life as a god. This is life as a human.\u2019 The harsh way is this: \u2018This is bad conduct by way of body, speech, and mind. This is the result of bad conduct by way of body, speech, and mind. This is life in hell. This is life as an animal. This is life as a ghost.\u2019 The both gentle and harsh way is this: \u2018This is good conduct \u2026 this is bad conduct \u2026\u2019\u201d \u201cSir, what do you do with a person in training who doesn\u2019t follow these forms of training?\u201d \u201cIn that case, Kesi, I kill them.\u201d \u201cSir, it\u2019s not appropriate for the Buddha to kill living creatures. And yet you say you kill them.\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s true, Kesi, it\u2019s not appropriate for a Realized One to kill living creatures. But when a person in training doesn\u2019t follow any of these forms of training, the Realized One doesn\u2019t think they\u2019re worth advising or instructing, and neither do their sensible spiritual companions. For it is killing in the training of the Noble One when the Realized One doesn\u2019t think they\u2019re worth advising or instructing, and neither do their sensible spiritual companions.\u201d \u201cWell, they\u2019re definitely dead when the Realized One doesn\u2019t think they\u2019re worth advising or instructing, and neither do their sensible spiritual companions. Excellent, sir! \u2026 From this day forth, may the Buddha remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.\u201d","title":"With Kesi","tradition":"Anguttara Nikaya","translated_text":null,"word_count":397}