{"collection":"Samyutta Nikaya","full_text_available":true,"graph_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/v2/api/page/suttacentral_sn12.18/graph","html_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/v2/page/suttacentral_sn12.18","id":"suttacentral_sn12.18","license":"CC0","rights_basis":"suttacentral_bilara_data_cc0","source":"suttacentral","source_url":"https://suttacentral.net/sn12.18/en/sujato","summary":null,"tags":["Early Buddhist Texts","Samyutta Nikaya"],"text":"At S\u0101vatth\u012b. Then the wanderer Timbaruka went up to the Buddha, and exchanged greetings with him. When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to the Buddha: \u201cWell, worthy Gotama, are pleasure and pain made by oneself?\u201d \u201cNot so, Timbaruka,\u201d said the Buddha. \u201cThen are pleasure and pain made by another?\u201d \u201cNot so, Timbaruka,\u201d said the Buddha. \u201cWell, are pleasure and pain made by both oneself and another?\u201d \u201cNot so, Timbaruka,\u201d said the Buddha. \u201cThen do pleasure and pain arise anomalously, not made by oneself or another?\u201d \u201cNot so, Timbaruka,\u201d said the Buddha. \u201cWell, is there no such thing as pleasure and pain?\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s not that there\u2019s no such thing as pleasure and pain. Pleasure and pain are real.\u201d \u201cThen does the worthy Gotama not know or see suffering?\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s not that I don\u2019t know or see pleasure and pain. I do know pleasure and pain, I do see pleasure and pain.\u201d \u201cWorthy Gotama, when asked these questions, you say \u2018not so\u2019. Yet you say that there is such a thing as pleasure and pain. And you say that you do know pleasure and pain, and you do see pleasure and pain. Sir, explain pleasure and pain to me! Teach me about pleasure and pain!\u201d \u201cSuppose that the feeling and the one who feels it are one and the same. Then for one who has existed since the beginning, pleasure and pain is made by oneself. I don\u2019t say this. Suppose that the feeling is one thing and the one who feels it is another. Then for one stricken by feeling, pleasure and pain is made by another. I don\u2019t say this. Avoiding these two extremes, the Realized One teaches by the middle way: \u2018Ignorance is a requirement for choices. Choices are a requirement for consciousness. \u2026 That is how this entire mass of suffering originates. When ignorance fades away and ceases with no residue left behind, choices cease. When choices cease, consciousness ceases. \u2026 That is how this entire mass of suffering ceases.\u2019\u201d When he said this, the wanderer Timbaruka said to the Buddha, \u201cExcellent, worthy Gotama! Excellent! \u2026 I go for refuge to the worthy Gotama, to the teaching, and to the mendicant Sa\u1e45gha. From this day forth, may the worthy Gotama remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.\u201d","title":"With Timbaruka","tradition":"Samyutta Nikaya","translated_text":null,"word_count":395}