{"collection":"Samyutta Nikaya","full_text_available":true,"graph_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/v2/api/page/suttacentral_sn12.26/graph","html_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/v2/page/suttacentral_sn12.26","id":"suttacentral_sn12.26","license":"CC0","rights_basis":"suttacentral_bilara_data_cc0","source":"suttacentral","source_url":"https://suttacentral.net/sn12.26/en/sujato","summary":null,"tags":["Early Buddhist Texts","Samyutta Nikaya"],"text":"At S\u0101vatth\u012b. Then Venerable Upav\u0101\u1e47a went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him: \u201cSir, there are some ascetics and brahmins who assert that suffering is made by oneself. There are some who assert that suffering is made by another. There are some who assert that suffering is made by both oneself and another. There are some who assert that suffering arises anomalously, not made by oneself or another. What does the Buddha say about this? How does he explain it? How should we answer so as to repeat what the Buddha has said, and not misrepresent him with an untruth? How should we explain in line with his teaching, with no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism?\u201d \u201cUpav\u0101\u1e47a, I have said that suffering is dependently originated. Dependent on what? Dependent on contact. In speaking like this, you would repeat what I have said, and not misrepresent me with an untruth. You would explain in line with my teaching, and there would be no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism. In the case of those ascetics and brahmins who assert that suffering is made by oneself, that\u2019s dependent on contact. \u2026 In the case of those who assert that suffering arises anomalously, not made by oneself or another, that\u2019s also dependent on contact. In the case of those ascetics and brahmins who assert that suffering is made by oneself, it\u2019s impossible that they will experience that without contact. \u2026 In the case of those who assert that suffering arises anomalously, not made by oneself or another, it\u2019s impossible that they will experience that without contact.\u201d","title":"With Upav\u0101\u1e47a","tradition":"Samyutta Nikaya","translated_text":null,"word_count":271}