{"collection":"Samyutta Nikaya","full_text_available":true,"graph_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/v2/api/page/suttacentral_sn12.68/graph","html_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/v2/page/suttacentral_sn12.68","id":"suttacentral_sn12.68","license":"CC0","rights_basis":"suttacentral_bilara_data_cc0","source":"suttacentral","source_url":"https://suttacentral.net/sn12.68/en/sujato","summary":null,"tags":["Early Buddhist Texts","Samyutta Nikaya"],"text":"At one time the venerables Mus\u012bla, Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha, N\u0101rada, and \u0100nanda were staying near Kosamb\u012b in Ghosita\u2019s monastery. Then Venerable Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha said to Venerable Mus\u012bla: \u201cReverend Mus\u012bla, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation, do you personally know that rebirth is a requirement for old age and death?\u201d \u201cReverend Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation, I know and see that rebirth is a requirement for old age and death.\u201d \u201cReverend Mus\u012bla, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberateation, do you personally know that continued existence is a requirement for rebirth \u2026 grasping is a requirement for continued existence \u2026 craving is a requirement for grasping \u2026 feeling is a requirement for craving \u2026 contact is a requirement for feeling \u2026 the six sense fields are requirements for contact \u2026 name and form are requirements for the six sense fields \u2026 consciousness is a requirement for name and form \u2026 choices are a requirement for consciousness \u2026 ignorance is a requirement for choices?\u201d \u201cReverend Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation, I know and see that ignorance is a requirement for choices.\u201d \u201cReverend Mus\u012bla, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation, do you personally know that when rebirth ceases, old age and death cease?\u201d \u201cReverend Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation, I know and see that when rebirth ceases, old age and death cease.\u201d \u201cReverend Mus\u012bla, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation, do you personally know that when continued existence ceases, rebirth ceases \u2026 when grasping ceases, continued existence ceases \u2026 when craving ceases, grasping ceases \u2026 when feeling ceases, craving ceases \u2026 when contact ceases, feeling ceases \u2026 when the six sense fields cease, contact ceases \u2026 when name and form cease, the six sense fields cease \u2026 when consciousness ceases name and form cease \u2026 when choices cease consciousness ceases \u2026 when ignorance ceases, choices cease?\u201d \u201cReverend Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation, I know and see that when ignorance ceases, choices cease.\u201d \u201cReverend Mus\u012bla, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation, do you personally know that the cessation of continued existence is extinguishment?\u201d \u201cReverend Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation, I know and see that the cessation of continued existence is extinguishment.\u201d \u201cThen Venerable Mus\u012bla is a perfected one, with defilements ended.\u201d When he said this, Mus\u012bla kept silent. Then Venerable N\u0101rada said to Venerable Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha, \u201cReverend Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha, please let me answer these questions. Ask me and I will answer them for you.\u201d \u201cBy all means, Venerable N\u0101rada, try these questions. I\u2019ll ask you and you can answer them for me.\u201d (Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha repeats exactly the same series of questions, and N\u0101rada answers just as Mus\u012bla did.) \u201cReverend N\u0101rada, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation, do you personally know that the cessation of continued existence is extinguishment?\u201d \u201cReverend Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha, apart from faith, endorsement, oral transmission, reasoned train of thought, or acceptance of a view after deliberation, I know and see that the cessation of continued existence is extinguishment.\u201d \u201cThen Venerable N\u0101rada is a perfected one, with defilements ended.\u201d \u201cI have truly seen clearly with right wisdom that the cessation of continued existence is extinguishment. Yet I am not a perfected one. Suppose there was a well on a desert road that had neither rope nor bucket. Then along comes a person struggling in the oppressive heat, weary, thirsty, and parched. They\u2019d know that there was water, but they couldn\u2019t physically touch it. In the same way, I have truly seen clearly with right wisdom that the cessation of continued existence is extinguishment. Yet I am not a perfected one.\u201d When he said this, Venerable \u0100nanda said to Venerable Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha, \u201cReverend Savi\u1e6d\u1e6dha, what do you have to say to Venerable N\u0101rada when he speaks like this?\u201d \u201cReverend \u0100nanda, I have nothing to say to Venerable N\u0101rada when he speaks like this, except what is good and wholesome.\u201d","title":"At Kosamb\u012b","tradition":"Samyutta Nikaya","translated_text":null,"word_count":757}