{"collection":"Samyutta Nikaya","full_text_available":true,"graph_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/v2/api/page/suttacentral_sn41.3/graph","html_url":"https://unchartedknowledge.5gfusion.net/v2/page/suttacentral_sn41.3","id":"suttacentral_sn41.3","license":"CC0","rights_basis":"suttacentral_bilara_data_cc0","source":"suttacentral","source_url":"https://suttacentral.net/sn41.3/en/sujato","summary":null,"tags":["Early Buddhist Texts","Samyutta Nikaya"],"text":"At one time several senior mendicants were staying near Macchik\u0101sa\u1e47\u1e0da in the Wild Mango Grove. Then Citta the householder went up to them, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to them, \u201cSirs, would the senior monks please accept tomorrow\u2019s meal from me?\u201d They consented with silence. Then, knowing that the senior mendicants had consented, Citta rose from his seat, bowed, and respectfully circled them, keeping them on his right, before leaving. Then when the night had passed, the senior mendicants robed up in the morning and, taking their bowls and robes, went to Citta\u2019s home, and sat down on the seats spread out. So he went up to them, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to the senior venerable: \u201cHonorable Senior, there are many different views that arise in the world. For example: the cosmos is eternal, or not eternal, or finite, or infinite; the soul and the body are one and the same, or the soul is one thing, the body another; after death, a realized one still exists, or no longer exists, or both still exists and no longer exists, or neither still exists nor no longer exists. And also the sixty-two misconceptions spoken of in \u2018The Divine Net\u2019. When what exists do these views come to be? When what doesn\u2019t exist do these views not come to be?\u201d When he said this, the senior venerable kept silent. For a second time \u2026 And for a third time, Citta said to him: \u201cHonorable Senior, there are many different views that arise in the world. \u2026 When what exists do these views come to be? When what doesn\u2019t exist do these views not come to be?\u201d And a second time and a third time the senior venerable kept silent. Now at that time Venerable Isidatta was the most junior mendicant in that Sa\u1e45gha. He said to the senior venerable, \u201cHonorable Senior, may I answer Citta\u2019s question?\u201d \u201cAnswer it, Reverend Isidatta.\u201d \u201cHouseholder, is this your question: \u2018There are many different views that arise in the world \u2026 When what exists do these views come to be? When what doesn\u2019t exist do these views not come to be?\u2019\u201d \u201cYes, sir.\u201d \u201cHouseholder, there are many different views that arise in the world. For example: the cosmos is eternal, or not eternal, or finite, or infinite; the soul and the body are one and the same, or the soul is one thing, the body another; after death, a realized one still exists, or no longer exists, or both still exists and no longer exists, or neither still exists nor no longer exists. And also the sixty-two misconceptions spoken of in \u2018The Divine Net\u2019. These views come to be when substantialist view exists. When substantialist view does not exist they do not come to be.\u201d \u201cBut sir, how does substantialist view come about?\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s when an unlearned ordinary person has not seen the noble ones, and is neither skilled nor trained in the teaching of the noble ones. They\u2019ve not seen true persons, and are neither skilled nor trained in the teaching of the true persons. They regard form as self, self as having form, form in self, or self in form. They regard feeling \u2026 perception \u2026 choices \u2026 consciousness as self, self as having consciousness, consciousness in self, or self in consciousness. That\u2019s how substantialist view comes about.\u201d \u201cBut sir, how does substantialist view not come about?\u201d \u201cIt\u2019s when a learned noble disciple has seen the noble ones, and is skilled and trained in the teaching of the noble ones. They\u2019ve seen true persons, and are skilled and trained in the teaching of the true persons. They don\u2019t regard form as self, self as having form, form in self, or self in form. They don\u2019t regard feeling \u2026 perception \u2026 choices \u2026 consciousness as self, self as having consciousness, consciousness in self, or self in consciousness. That\u2019s how substantialist view does not come about.\u201d \u201cSir, where has Master Isidatta come from?\u201d \u201cI come from Avanti, householder.\u201d \u201cSir, there\u2019s a friend of mine named Isidatta who I\u2019ve never met. He\u2019s gone forth from a good family in Avanti. Have you met him?\u201d \u201cYes, householder.\u201d \u201cSir, where is that venerable now staying?\u201d When he said this, Isidatta kept silent. \u201cSir, are you that Isidatta?\u201d \u201cYes, householder.\u201d \u201cSir, I hope Master Isidatta is happy here in Macchik\u0101sa\u1e47\u1e0da, for the Wild Mango Grove is lovely. I\u2019ll make sure that Master Isidatta is provided with robes, almsfood, lodgings, and medicines and supplies for the sick.\u201d \u201cThat\u2019s nice of you to say, householder.\u201d Then Citta, having approved and agreed with what Isidatta said, served and satisfied the senior mendicants with his own hands with delicious fresh and cooked foods. When the senior mendicants had eaten and washed their hands and bowls, they rose from their seats and left. Then the senior venerable said to Venerable Isidatta, \u201cIsidatta, it\u2019s good that you felt inspired to answer that question, because I didn\u2019t. So when a similar question comes up, you should also answer it as you feel inspired.\u201d But Isidatta set his lodgings in order and, taking his bowl and robe, left Macchik\u0101sa\u1e47\u1e0da, never to return.","title":"With Isidatta (2nd)","tradition":"Samyutta Nikaya","translated_text":null,"word_count":860}